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e***@gmail.com
2005-10-16 15:54:13 UTC
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Hello everybody :-)
just wondering which russian restaurants you would recommend in NYC.
thanks
Mr. R
2005-10-16 16:40:02 UTC
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Hello everybody :-)
just wondering which russian restaurants you would recommend in NYC.
thanks
Can you be a little more specific in terms of budget and location? There
are a few in Manhattan, and they range from the dirt-cheap Odessa of Ave. A
to the extremely expensive Petrossian on 58th Street. The heart of the
Russian dining scene is in Brighton Beach, near Coney Island, Brooklyn.
New Yorker
2005-10-16 23:44:57 UTC
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It's quite true that price and neighborhood are important parts of the
equation, but Petrossian's stylings are much more French than Russian, and
when I stopped by recently the $35.00 three course pre fixe served all night
was a real bargain for that neighborhood, especially given the quality of
the food (quite high IMO).
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Post by e***@gmail.com
Hello everybody :-)
just wondering which russian restaurants you would recommend in NYC.
thanks
Can you be a little more specific in terms of budget and location? There
are a few in Manhattan, and they range from the dirt-cheap Odessa of Ave.
A to the extremely expensive Petrossian on 58th Street. The heart of the
Russian dining scene is in Brighton Beach, near Coney Island, Brooklyn.
d***@aol.com
2005-10-20 18:59:44 UTC
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Post by Mr. R
Post by e***@gmail.com
Hello everybody :-)
just wondering which russian restaurants you would recommend in NYC.
thanks
Can you be a little more specific in terms of budget and location? There
are a few in Manhattan, and they range from the dirt-cheap Odessa of Ave. A
to the extremely expensive Petrossian on 58th Street. The heart of the
Russian dining scene is in Brighton Beach, near Coney Island, Brooklyn.
Talk about your understatement of the century!ehe Brighton Beach is
home to the largest Slavic population in the US. Mind you, that's one
of many World renowned neighborhoods that comprise the 5 boroughs of
NYC - cuisine capital of the world. -D, NYC "If food were a competitive
sport, New York City would have more gold medals than anywhere else in
the world." - TRACY NIEPORENT - Myriad Restaurant Group/NYC & Company
Restaurant Committee Chair"..."Stay home. Marry the girl next door.
Open a restaurant there. New York doesn't need any more restaurants.
America does." - SHELLEY FIREMAN, NYC Restaurateur, owner of Cafe'
Fiorello, Tratoria Dell'Arte, Shelly's, Brooklyn Diner, Redeye Grill,
and Bond 45
http://tinyurl.com/3npsf (NYC - safest, largest city in the US)
http://tinyurl.com/3qkd3 (NYC Statistics & Fun Facts)
http://tinyurl.com/3c6kk (Top 10 Places America Goes To Have Fun -
Times Square)
http://tinyurl.com/3nyhl (America's 5 Most/Least Expensive Cities To
Live In: #1 - NYC - most expensive)
http://tinyurl.com/46f53 (NY, NY - Capital Of The World)
http://www.forbes.com (NY: 3 of Top 5 Most Expensive Homes in the US)
http://tinyurl.com/3juvb (New York Jewish History)
Jeremy
2005-10-20 21:46:39 UTC
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Talk about your understatement of the century!ehe Brighton Beach is
home to the largest Slavic population in the US. Mind you, that's one
of many World renowned neighborhoods that comprise the 5 boroughs of
NYC - cuisine capital of the world. -D, NYC "If food were a competitive
sport, New York City would have more gold medals than anywhere else in
the world." - TRACY NIEPORENT - Myriad Restaurant Group/NYC & Company
Restaurant Committee Chair"..."Stay home. Marry the girl next door.
Open a restaurant there. New York doesn't need any more restaurants.
America does." - SHELLEY FIREMAN, NYC Restaurateur, owner of Cafe'
Fiorello, Tratoria Dell'Arte, Shelly's, Brooklyn Diner, Redeye Grill,
and Bond 45
http://tinyurl.com/3npsf (NYC - safest, largest city in the US)
http://tinyurl.com/3qkd3 (NYC Statistics & Fun Facts)
http://tinyurl.com/3c6kk (Top 10 Places America Goes To Have Fun -
Times Square)
http://tinyurl.com/3nyhl (America's 5 Most/Least Expensive Cities To
Live In: #1 - NYC - most expensive)
http://tinyurl.com/46f53 (NY, NY - Capital Of The World)
http://www.forbes.com (NY: 3 of Top 5 Most Expensive Homes in the US)
http://tinyurl.com/3juvb (New York Jewish History)
You really need to travel and learn about the rest of the world and stop
believing the city's PR department.

Cities with better restaurants in choice, quality and ethnic diversity
include: London, Paris, Hong Kong, Tokyo, but they are just the ones I
have lived in.
Greg Pratt
2005-10-21 05:18:47 UTC
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Talk about your understatement of the century!ehe Brighton Beach is
home to the largest Slavic population in the US. Mind you, that's one
of many World renowned neighborhoods that comprise the 5 boroughs of
NYC - cuisine capital of the world. -D, NYC "If food were a competitive
sport, New York City would have more gold medals than anywhere else in
the world." - TRACY NIEPORENT - Myriad Restaurant Group/NYC & Company
[...rest of crap deleted...]

Is it possible for you to make a post that doesn't somehow involve your
autistic recitations of usually-irrelevant facts about NYC restaurants?

I didn't think so, either.

*plonk*
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d***@aol.com
2005-10-21 17:48:03 UTC
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Talk about your understatement of the century!ehe Brighton Beach is
home to the largest Slavic population in the US. Mind you, that's one
of many World renowned neighborhoods that comprise the 5 boroughs of
NYC - cuisine capital of the world. -D, NYC "If food were a competitive
sport, New York City would have more gold medals than anywhere else in
the world." - TRACY NIEPORENT - Myriad Restaurant Group/NYC & Company
[...rest of crap deleted...]
Is it possible for you to make a post that doesn't somehow involve your
autistic recitations of usually-irrelevant facts about NYC restaurants?
I didn't think so, either.
*plonk*Gregory Pratt East Rutherford, NJ, USA >>
Greg, who deemed you the keeper of content!?ehe Last I checked, the
name of this newsgroup was "nyc.food!"eh As I always say, "don't let
the plonk door hit you in the TUSH on the way out - I hear it's a bitch
for the touchy-feely!"ehehe BUBELEH, what's wrong!?ehe Pissed off that
you are residing in a subservient appendage of the Greatest City In The
World?eheee Your KVETCHING would have been better suited for Jeremy -
resident cluebird of nyc.food!ehehehe In the end, what harm is there in
expounding on the history of NYC? Since it IS home to the largest
number of restaurants for any single city in the world (17,312 - that's
1 a day for 47 years!ehe), and IS the most culturally diverse city in
the world, a little history shall always come with the territory! Be it
food or otherwise! Lighten up, ok? eh -D, NYC "All the folks in
Manhattan are sad..because they look at her and wish they had..the good
old Brooklyn Bridge" - FRANK SINATRA..."New York is the only real
city-city" - TRUMAN CAPOTE.."You know, the more they knock New York,
the bigger it gets!" - WILL ROGERS.."I hope people watch this movie
(Sidewalks of New York) and still see New York as the greatest city in
the world. I certainly do!" - EDWARD BURNS, filmmaker/actor, umpteenth
celebrity NYer..."Go right, there's Chinatown; go left, Little Italy.
Uptown, Harlem. Midtown, Yorkville. Brooklyn is Jews. Queens, Koreans.
It's a cheap way to have relatives." ehe - JOAN RIVERS (b. Molinsky,
umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."New York is the greatest city in the
world. The people, the clothes...did I mention the clothes?' eh -
VICTORIA GOTTI (Growing Up Gotti).."The intellectual life is why I'm a
New Yorker. It's why I stay here. I spend my summers in Europe, and if
they ask me if I'm an American, I say, "No, I'm a New Yorker." I don't
know about everyone else, but for me that's a positive statement." -
ALEXANDER ALLAND JR..."No other American city is so intensely American
as New York" - ANTHONY TROLLOPE, North America.."Imagine a world
without New York City. The terrorists already have" - ROBERT F. KENNEDY
JR.."New York, you are an Egypt! But an Egypt turned inside out. For
she erected pyramids of slavery to death, and you erect pyramids of
democracy with the vertical organpipes of your skyscrapers all meeting
at the point of infinity of liberty!" - SALVADOR DALI.."NYC is the only
town where one's looks are drawn all the time away from the ground into
the sky." - FREYA STARRK, Dust in the Lion's Paw.."New York City sits
bold and beautiful, brash and bounteous, a Big Apple, representing the
best the country and people have to offer. Never has there been a city
like it, nor will there be again...It's a city of achievers, often
beset by adversity, but never bested by circumstances." - JOHN
CLEMENTIS, New York Facts.."New York is simply a distillation of the
United States, the most of everything, the conclusive proof that there
is an American civilization. New York is casual, intellectual, subtle,
effective, and devastatingly witty. But her sophisticated appearance is
the thinnest of veneers. Beneath it there is power, virility,
determination and sense of destiny." - RAYMOND F. LOEWY, 1964.."The
city of New York, the noblest of the American symbols" - JAMES MORRIS
Jeremy
2005-10-21 20:01:36 UTC
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(17,312 - that's much less than Mexico City
JJ
d***@aol.com
2005-10-23 23:40:03 UTC
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(17,312 - that's much less than Mexico City
JJ
And then you woke up!ehe Jeremy, if you want to continue embarrassing
yourself, be my guest! Here's another rhetorical pop-quiz for Mr.
cluebird (ehe): What city just celebrated its 78th Annual Feast of San
Gennaro, which brings over 1 million people to Little Italy?eheee What
city has more pizzerias than any other American city? What city is home
to the nation's first licensed pizzeria, "Lombardi's Coal Oven Pizzaria
Napoletana," on Spring Street?" Unfknblvbl!ehe -D, NYC "New York, Los
Angeles, oh how I yearn for you!" - CHUCK BERRY.."Los Angeles is for
those who sleep, Paris and London baby you can keep, no other city will
make me dance like New York" - MADONNA.."We'll dock in New York...the
buildings high...we find a house...up in the sky...havana moon.." -
CHUCK BERRY.."She's a Latin from Manhattan - I can tell by her
'Man-ya-na" - but not Havana" - AL JOLSON (sweet Jew, b. Yoelson).."I
feel safe in New York City" - AC/DC.."A beautiful day in Brooklyn is
more beautiful than a beautiful day in any other place - the weather
man doesn't have to say it's beautiful - when you open your window
ev'rything's okay - If a tree that grows in Brooklyn could speak, it
would say: "A beautiful day in Brooklyn is a most beautiful day." -
IRVING BERLIN (sweet NYC-raised, one of the most influential composers
of the 20th century)
David G. Imber
2005-10-21 20:12:09 UTC
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In the end, what harm is there in
expounding on the history of NYC?
No harm, but even I, who wouldn't want to limit anyone's free
speech, get tired of seeing the same rote stuff in every single
response you provide. Also, what you write is not history, it's
opinion. New York does NOT have better Japanese restaurants than
Tokyo. Get a grip. What's more there are scores of Italian restaurants
(for example) in Tokyo and Osaka that put what passes for standard
Italian fare here to shame.

You can drop that stuff and still communicate very well. But
that's up to you.

And you can still love NYC without demanding that people
recognize it as the best city in the world. Different people have
different criteria for "best".

DGI
d***@aol.com
2005-10-21 21:12:54 UTC
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In the end, what harm is there in
expounding on the history of NYC?
No harm, but even I, who wouldn't want to limit anyone's free
speech, get tired of seeing the same rote stuff in every single
response you provide. Also, what you write is not history, it's
opinion. New York does NOT have better Japanese restaurants than
Tokyo. Get a grip. What's more there are scores of Italian restaurants
(for example) in Tokyo and Osaka that put what passes for standard
Italian fare here to shame.>>> You can drop that stuff and still communicate very well. But> that's up to you.> And you can still love NYC without demanding that people
recognize it as the best city in the world. Different people have
different criteria for "best".> DGI
And your above comment is not an opinion? LOL! Sorry, but cumulative
acknowledgement must override Political Correctness - aka
inferiority-driven opinions that aren't worth BUPKESS!ehe Like it or
not, the sushi's tastier here than in Tokyo, the crossiants flakier
than in Paris, the duck more succulent than in Peking. And our pizza?
Fugghedabboudit!ehe The difference between Japan and NYC is choice! NYC
has more choices than any other city in the world! As U2 once sang: "In
New York, freedom looks like too many choices!" How's the Kosher deli
out in Japan!? LOL! DOH! How 'bout Restaurant Week? LOL! Do they come
from all over the world as they do for NYC!? DOH! Not only do we have
authentic Japanese restaurants that are owned by Japanese immigrants,
we also have a gazillion other delicacies that cannot be found in
Japan, let alone any other city on earth.
As for NYC's (aka Gotham City, The World's Second Home, The City That
Never Sleeps, The Empire State - coined by George Washington) "Greatest
City In The World" status!? If it wasn't, those bastard terrorists
would not have chosen it on 9/11! As Raymond Kelly (NYC Police
Commissioner) said at the 9/11 hearings in Manhattan: "When they
(foreigners) think about America, they think NY!" NYC IS the Greatest
City In The World, simply because it excels in every facet of life:
culture, finance, fashion, retail, trade, cuisine, arts, real estate,
music, nightlife, theatre, media & communications.
It's the only city on earth that has consisently represented the hopes
& dreams of millions of Americans and immigrants alike! Home to The
Statue of Liberty & The UN - two of the greatest international symbols
for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. NYC shall always hold
a special place in American & World culture. Beginning with its status
as the first capital of America from 1789-1790! History does not lie!
This is a Politically Incorrect reality that you and the rest of the
touchy-feelies must learn to accept!
In the end, if I want to post a tidbit on a city/neighborhood that is
perhaps only second to Moscow, in terms of its synonymity with
Russians, I should be allowed to do so. There's a reason why NYC is
nicknamed Moscow On The Hudson! No-brainer!eh -D, NYC "I love New York
- it's where the American dream began!" - DONALD TRUMP..."New York will
become the seat of Empire " - GEORGE WASHINGTON (1st US President,
inaugurated on the steps of Federal Hall, Manhattan).."In New York,
even if you're Catholic, you're Jewish. If you live in Butte, Montana,
you're going to be Goyish, even if you're Jewish" - LENNY BRUCE (b.
Leonard Alfred Schneider, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."The city is
like poetry: it compresses all life, all races and breeds, into a small
island and adds music and the accompaniment of internal engines. The
island of Manhattan is without any doubt the greatest human concentrate
on earth, the poem whose magic is comprehensible to millions of
permanent residents - but whose full meaning will always remain
elusive" -EB WHITE, Here is New York, 1949.."I thank God I was born on
the banks of the Hudson" - WASHINGTON IRVING, 1809 (author/poet).."For
me, on my first visit as President, it's a pleasure, Mr. Mayor, to be
in the capital of the world" - GEORGE W. BUSH (addressing Mayor
Guiliani at St. Patrick's Cathedral, post 9/11).."More history happened
in New York than in any other place in the nation" - KENNETH T.
JACKSON, Columbia University Professor, Encyclopedia of New York..."I
love New York. I celebrate every day in this city. Anything can happen
here any hour of any day. You don't want to go to sleep because you
feel you might be missing out. Where else in the world could anyone
have that same feeling" - HUGH JACKMAN (The Boy From Oz, Broadway).."I
did 'Bash' here two years ago, 'Three Sisters' five years ago and hope
to do another play soon. That's because my secret agenda is to be back
in New York. In L.A., I have a house and yard and it's good for my
baby. I have parents in Tennessee but I don't want to live there. I
have friends in California but it's so transient there. I'd really love
to relocate in New York because it has everything." - CALISTA
FLOCKHART..."I used to hear New Yorkers brag about the city and I was
always like...yeah...but I tell ya, I loved it there..did as much as
humanly possible that 5 days would allow...Can't wait to go back..New
York is the best city in the world..no doubt" - ***@ATLANTIC.NET
Jeremy
2005-10-21 21:45:29 UTC
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we also have a gazillion other delicacies that cannot be found in
Japan, let alone any other city on earth.
You must not have been anywhere and I doubt your experience in NY.
Things you do not have in NY
Unfrozen sushi
Real cheese, French, English, Greek or even Norwegian
Real milk, or cream
Real Italian sausage
Horse steak
Unexpanded beef
Ad infinitum

No matter how much you rant, NY is an example of a typical major city,
just not as fabulous as some of the older, more civilized places.


JJ
David G. Imber
2005-10-21 22:00:13 UTC
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Unexpanded beef
I didn't know my beef (at least that which I eat here in NYC)
was expanded. Actually, I don't know what that means. Could you
explain?

DGI
Jeremy
2005-10-21 22:12:17 UTC
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Unexpanded beef
I didn't know my beef (at least that which I eat here in NYC)
was expanded. Actually, I don't know what that means. Could you
explain?
DGI
Very hard to get beef in NY that is neither feed lot bloated or water
expanded. About 90% of all beef has the carcasses injected with high
pressure, low solution, brine or sodium citrate at the time of
processing. I believe the bassline injection is only 12%, but as this as
done before deboning the net result is a 25% weight gain from water.
This is why meat in the US tends to boil before browning.

More information on what you are actually getting from feed lot meat can
be found at <http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/beef/g05-425.htm> but it is not for
those with sensitive dispositions, and some of it is downright scary.

JJ
David G. Imber
2005-10-21 22:31:17 UTC
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More information on what you are actually getting from feed lot meat can
be found at <http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/beef/g05-425.htm> but it is not for
those with sensitive dispositions, and some of it is downright scary.
Thank you. I knew about some of this, and though I rarely eat
beef, when I have I've chosen certified Black Angus or one of the
other certified varieties whose provenance can be examined. The link
you cited was eye-opening.

DGI
Jeremy
2005-10-21 23:13:42 UTC
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Post by Jeremy
More information on what you are actually getting from feed lot meat can
be found at <http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/beef/g05-425.htm> but it is not for
those with sensitive dispositions, and some of it is downright scary.
Thank you. I knew about some of this, and though I rarely eat
beef, when I have I've chosen certified Black Angus or one of the
other certified varieties whose provenance can be examined. The link
you cited was eye-opening.
DGI
Certified Black Angus does not exempt the beef from any of those
processes, it just means that it is a particular breed of cattle. I used
to live on the border of Perthshire and Angus in Scotland and can assure
you that the meat sold here in the US bears little or no resemblance to
pasture fed Angus.

JJ
d***@aol.com
2005-10-22 01:50:13 UTC
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Unexpanded beef>
I didn't know my beef (at least that which I eat here in NYC)
was expanded. Actually, I don't know what that means. Could you
explain?> DGI
Dave, you're not actually going to humor this MESHUGG!?ehehe In case
you've forgotten about his other doozies, Jeremy once insisted that NYC
(home to The UN, Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, "Gateway to Freedom"
state slogan on the commemorative NY State Quarter, home to every
ethnicity from every part of the globe) is not even in the Top 10 of
culturally diverse cities, let alone worthy of retaining its #1 culture
capital status! ehe LOL! Jeremy is clearly one wave short of a
shipwreck!eeehehee We know, we know - the 36.7 million tourists who
flock to The Big Apple each year, must also be typical of every major
American city! LOL! NYC is also the #1 destination for international
visitors! Sigh.. -D, NYC "It's true that what you find in New York is
something other than America. Only small towns and small countries are
self-satisfied; a real capital goes beyond its borders" - SIMONE DE
BEAUVOIR, America - Day By Day.."New York is, I firmly believe, the
most charitable city in the world. Nowhere is there so eager a
readiness to help, when it is known that help is worthily wanted.
Nowhere are such armies of devoted workers, nowhere such an abundance
of means ready to the hand of those who know the need and how rightly
to supply it." - JACOB RIIS, 1890.." New York is simply a distillation
of the United States, the most of everything, the conclusive proof that
there is an American civilization. New York is casual, intellectual,
subtle, effective, and devastatingly witty. But her sophisticated
appearance is the thinnest of veneers. Beneath it there is power,
virility, determination and sense of destiny." - RAYMOND F. LOEWY,
1964.."Cut off as I am, it is inevitable that I should feel like a
shadow walking in a shadowy world. When this happens I ask to be taken
to New York City. Always I return home weary but I have the comforting
certainty that mankind is real flesh and I myself am not a dream" -
HELEN KELLER.."At night, the streets become rhythmical perspectives of
glowing dotted lines, reflections hung upon them in the streets as the
wisteria hangs its violet recemes on its trellis. The buildings are
shimmering verticality, a gossamer veil, a festive scene-prop hanging
there against the black sky to dazzle, entertain, amaze" - FRANK LLOYD
WRIGHT.."No matter where you sit in New York, you feel the vibrations
of great times and events and undertakings" - EB WHITE.."When we shot
"Vanilla Sky" here I realized how vibrant this town is. Nobody sits on
the sidelines. Everybody's so for you. Cheering you on. Making you
welcome. And it's full of icons. Doesn't everybody want to see Times
Square?" - TOM CRUISE.."Whenever I am back in New York, my heart beats
faster. It taught me a lot. It makes me want to learn. To study. To go
to theatre. To stretch myself" - PENELOPE CRUZ.."The Olympics must be
in New York. New York is where you dream. And strive and attain. It's
rich in passion, and like the participating countries, diverse" - KATE
CAPSHAW.."The most beautiful women reside in Manhattan. How can a man
ever choose to settle down with just one?" - ALFIE (Jude Law).."Walk
through the streets of this city and you're bound to meet dragons, see
epic struggles taking place and get a whiff of magic." - WIRED MAGAZINE
(a gamer contends that NYC isn't that different from fantastic virtual
worlds).."All the critics love u in New York" - PRINCE.."I've seen the
lights go down on Broadway, I saw the Empire State laid low" - BILLY
JOEL (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer, one of the top 100 selling artists
of all-time)
David G. Imber
2005-10-22 02:39:54 UTC
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Dave, you're not actually going to humor this MESHUGG!?
Actually his reply to my answer was concise, coherent and
informative.

Sets a good example for all.

DGI
Christopher C. Stacy
2005-10-24 03:48:15 UTC
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we also have a gazillion other delicacies that cannot be found in
Japan, let alone any other city on earth.
You must not have been anywhere and I doubt your experience in NY.
Things you do not have in NY
Unfrozen sushi
Where do you imagine you can get unfrozen sushi?
(And, since sushi is technically the rice, I suppose
I should clarify that I'm thinking of items like tuna.)
d***@aol.com
2005-10-24 04:54:16 UTC
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Post by d***@aol.com
we also have a gazillion other delicacies that cannot be found in
Japan, let alone any other city on earth.
You must not have been anywhere and I doubt your experience in NY.
Things you do not have in NY
Unfrozen sushi
Where do you imagine you can get unfrozen sushi?
(And, since sushi is technically the rice, I suppose
I should clarify that I'm thinking of items like tuna.)
Jeremy conveniently forgets to mention that it's illegal to serve
unfrozen sushi in the US. Obvious health concerns during shipping and
consumption. How this has any bearing on the most variety of any city
on earth, is truly a mystery!? IOW, since Jeremy is unable to impugn
NYC's cuisine capital status, he has to look for a legal loophole! eh
In the end, priding oneself on food poisoning is something to be proud
of?ehe -D, NYC "Lox - So Pink, So New York!".."Brooklyn - home to
everyone from everywhere!!".."The Egg Cream (born in NYC) is
psychologically the opposite of circumcision - it pleasurably reaffirms
your Jewishness!" - eh MEL BROOKS (b. Kaminsky, umpteenth sweet, Jewish
NYer).."We'll go to Coney and eat baloney (sic) on a roll..in Central
Park we'll stroll..where our first kiss we stole...we'll have
Manhattan, The Bronx and Staten Island too..it's lovely going through
the zoo" - RAY CHARLES, ELLA FITZGERALD, ROD STEWART ("Manhattan" by
sweet NYers RODGERS & HART - one of the most covered songs of
NYC).."Flatbush boy cruisin' Sheepshead Bay..his boardwalk mama just a
snif away..underground DMT..ridin' thunder train...The Coney Island
White Fish Boy is on the run again" - AEROSMITH.."She's pure as New
York snow, she's got Bette Davis Eyes" - KIM CARNES.."Take a hold of my
hand and come with me...we'll go rockin' around in NYC" - MARSHALL
CRENSHAW
David G. Imber
2005-10-24 05:16:02 UTC
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Where do you imagine you can get unfrozen sushi?
(And, since sushi is technically the rice, I suppose
I should clarify that I'm thinking of items like tuna.)
I'm not sure exactly what the original poster was referring
to, but while even in Tokyo much of the everyday sushi/sashimi fare is
cut from fish that has been on ice, there are exceptions. There are
places where the fish is removed from a tank and cut before you. It is
served alongside the remaining carcass, still twitching, which is
unnerving.

There was a restaurant here in NYC where the owner (whom I
knew personally) was an avid sports fisher both in Japan and here.
He'd often go off for expeditions at 4:00 am, and serve his catch that
evening. I don't know what the legalities of that might have been (and
don't really care, he was certified in Japan, where the laws are
extremely stringent, and he achieved mastery there before coming
here). Also, much of what he caught was best prepared cooked rather
than raw. Sadly, he left town. My friends and I long for him to
return.

DGI
Jeremy
2005-10-24 08:39:39 UTC
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I don't know what the legalities of that might have been (and
don't really care, he was certified in Japan, where the laws are
extremely stringent, and he achieved mastery there before coming
here). Also, much of what he caught was best prepared cooked rather
than raw. Sadly, he left town. My friends and I long for him to
return.
DGI
All raw fish served in the US has to have been frozen according to
Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point legislation (pronounced
hassup) It was originally designed to stop Tyson chicken from killing
1,500 +/- per year, but as the largest employer in Arkansas they got an
eight year delay from their ex-governer, but they put it on the seafood
industry. :-) I have been to lobster farms in Cuba where they obey
hassup regs,

JJ
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David G. Imber
2005-10-21 21:55:23 UTC
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And your above comment is not an opinion?
Of course it was, but I didn't call it "history".

Listen, I give up. Do what you do and zeit gezunt.

DGI

PS: Those who don't understand this message might benefit from a visit
to the Japan Yiddish Club in beautiful downtown Tokyo. Despite
DarrinT's demurrals, the world is much, much bigger than NYC.

http://www.kanji.org/kanji/jack/yiddish/jyc.htm
d***@aol.com
2005-10-22 00:44:13 UTC
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And your above comment is not an opinion?>>
Of course it was, but I didn't call it "history".
Listen, I give up. Do what you do and zeit gezunt.
DGI
PS: Those who don't understand this message might benefit from a visit
to the Japan Yiddish Club in beautiful downtown Tokyo. Despite
DarrinT's demurrals, the world is much, much bigger than NYC.
http://www.kanji.org/kanji/jack/yiddish/jyc.htm
David, NYC (Mother of American Judaism) has more Jews than Jerusalem,
as well as having more shuls, yeshivas and Kosher eateries than any
other city on planet earth! It's a Jewish city of firsts, and the only
city in the world that can combine a rich number of Jewish
institutions, a plethora of venues and synagogues, and a very large
diverse Jewish population. Ditto for every nook & cranny of NYC! From
The World's Largest Jewish Synagogue (Temple Emanu El in Manhattan -
center of the universe) to the World's First Jewish Children's Museum
in Crown Heights Brooklyn (largest Orthodox population in the US, if
not the world), everything in NYC is done on a grander scale.
So why on earth would a Jew (myself included) want to SHLEP to GOYISHA
Tokyo when "everything Jewish" resides in NYC!? In general, every celeb
and their mother vies for the obligatory Manhattan penthouse. Even
native New Yorkers like sweet Barbra Streisand are on waiting lists for
the famous Dakota (former home of John Lennon - one of NY's most famous
adoptive sons), which overlooks Central Park. I know of very few people
(celebrity or otherwise) who want to reside in Tokyo! Remember, if you
can make it here, you can make it anywhere! You come to NYC to dream,
not To-k-yo! LOL!
Sidenote to Brighton Beach: the surrounding areas of Manhattan Beach,
Coney Island (world's most famous "amusement" park - home to the
Brooklyn Cyclones and the new multimillion dollar stadium - Keyspan
Park) & Sheepshead Bay are also heavily populated with Russians. David,
your time would be better spent explaining to our resident cluebird,
why NYC is anything but typical! LOL! Yes, every major city has
Rockefeller Center/Plaza (NBC World Headquarters - hub of
broadcasting), Broadway (hub of theatre), 5th Avenue (hub of retail),
Wall Street (hub of finance & banking), The UN, Statue of Liberty,
Central Park (world's most famous recreational park - home to
Strawberry Fields memorial), Twin Towers (formerly the eyes & ears of
the World's great trade), Madison Square Garden (world's most famous
concert/sports venue), FAO Schwarz (world's most famous/expensive toy
store), Radio City Music Hall, Lincoln Center, Carnegie Hall,
Juilliard, MTV Studios, The Food Network, NBC's The Restaurant, The Art
Institute of NYC (where the world's greatest chefs have trained), and
the largest population & mass transit system for any single city in the
US! LOL!
The "atypical" list goes on and on!eh David, you've heard of The
Accidental Tourist!?eh Well, our Jeremy is The Polish Tourist - he
never leaves his one Manhattan block!eheheheh And then has the CHUTZPAH
to ask: "Where are all the 17,312+ restaurants in the cuisine capital
of the world?"ehehehehe There's a reason why he claims to be a
restauranteur in Mexico and not in Manhattan - center of the
universe!ehe Always remember: when in Mexico, be sure to bring your
American Express, because the water obviously runs like fine wine
(LOL), and the pesos is 40 cents to the American dollar!eheheheheeh
IOW, you can open up 20 restaurants for every one in Manhattan!eheheh
David, ever ask yourself why every other tv show/film is set and/or
filmed in NYC!?eh Every wonder why NYC is the most romanticized city in
song!? Ya think it has anything to do with being universally
acknowledged as The Greatest City In The World? Ya think?ehe -D, NYC
"Yiddish wasn't just words, you see, it was an attitude. It was sweet &
sour. It was a shrug & a kiss. It was humility & defiance all in one" -
ERICA JONG (author, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."Jewish education
has, over the years, brought to New York State the fruits of a proud
heritage of learning, a history of scholarly achievement and a
tradition of progressive educational involvement." - NELSON ROCKEFELLER
(former US V.P., NY Governor - 1959-73).."There are 9 million
interesting people in New York and only 78 in Los Angeles." eh - NEIL
SIMON (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer, most successful playwright of the
20th century - Brighton Beach Memoirs, The Odd Couple, The Goodbye
Girl, etc.).."It wasn't until I got to New York that I became a Kansan.
Everyone there kept reminding me that they were Jewish or Irish, or
whatever, so I kept reminding them that I was midwestern. Before I knew
it, I actually began to brag about being from Kansas! I discovered that
I had something a bit unique, but it was the nature of New York that
forced me to claim my past." - WILLIAM INGE.."The basis of successful
business is honesty; a business cannot thrive where the parties to it
cannot trust each other. In the matter of numbers, the Jew counts for
little in the overwhelming population of New York, but that his honesty
counts for much is guaranteed by the fact that the immense wholesale
business of Broadway, from the Battery to Union Square, is
substantially in his hands" - MARK TWAIN.."The extraordinary European
Jews who emigrated to New York were enriching the city's intellectual
life with an intensity that has probably never been equaled anywhere
during a comparable period of time. I was raised largely by these
Jews...They were my teachers; they were my employers; they were my
friends. They introduced me to a world of books and ideas that I didn't
know existed" - MARLON BRANDO (excerpt from "Songs My Mother Taught
Me").."New York City owes its intellectual vitality to the presence of
the Jews - the only people in New York who love books with a passionate
yearning which transcends their attention to all terrestrial
manifestations." - FORD MADOX FORD (British Novelist, "Horizon" - 1926)
d***@aol.com
2005-10-22 03:28:54 UTC
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Post by d***@aol.com
And your above comment is not an opinion?
Of course it was, but I didn't call it "history".
Listen, I give up. Do what you do and zeit gezunt.
Dave, it became an opinion because you had no historical facts to back
it up! NY ("The State That Has Everything") speaks for itself! If you
live here, the answer should be patently obvious! There are certain
things in life that are unequivocal! ie. "The Godfather" is hailed as
one of the greatest films of the 20th century. "The Godfather II" is
hailed as one of the greatest sequels in film history. In fact, it's
probably the only sequel in film history to have surpassed its
predecessor. Now is it possible that someone wasn't too fond of
either!? Of course! Will that person become part of the majority
opinion!? Hell no!eh Why! Besides "majority rules," it can be argued
from a technical & historic point of view, why that person's opinion is
askew. The same applies to those who challenge NYC - Greatest City In
The World. Among knowing individuals (ie. residents, notables and
historians), NYC is unlike any other city on earth. Truth before
sensitivity!!! Let's put it to test: Which city has the most museums of
any city on earth?eh Which city is home to the World famous MOM (Museum
of Modern Art) and The Guggenheim? Sigh... -D, NYC "Half of all
skirmishes during the American Revolution were fought on NY
soil"..."Two of NYC's five boroughs were founded by the British -
Queens and Kings County (aka Brooklyn). It was done in honor of King
Charles II and his wife - Catherine of Braganza.".."New (York) got its
name in 1664 when The Dutch lost control of their "New Amsterdam"
colony to England, which was then renamed as "New York" in honor of
Duke James of (York)..".."The Hudson river was founded by British
explorer Henry Hudson.".."I hate small towns, because once you've seen
the cannon in the park, there's nothing else to do!" eh - LENNY BRUCE
(insert you know what here!ehe).."More history happened in New York
than in any other place in the nation" - KENNETH T. JACKSON, Columbia
University Professor, Encyclopedia of New York.."One belongs to New
York instantly, one belongs to it as much in five minutes as in five
years" - THOMAS WOLFE
David G. Imber
2005-10-17 05:05:36 UTC
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Hello everybody :-)
just wondering which russian restaurants you would recommend in NYC.
thanks
I went to the Firebird on 46th near ninth avenue perhaps five
years ago and had a lovely meal, but in my opinion it was overpriced
for what it was, and for the service, which was so-so.

If I were spending a good deal I think I'd spend it at
Petrossian, which has a highly credentialed chef. Although I'm not
sure that the menu is strictly Russian. For a real Russian experience
I'd go to Brighton Beach, but you'd have to get recommendations on
where to go from others, as I'm not intimately familiar with what's
available in that area.

DGI
Cyrus Afzali
2005-10-17 21:37:40 UTC
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Post by David G. Imber
Post by e***@gmail.com
Hello everybody :-)
just wondering which russian restaurants you would recommend in NYC.
thanks
I went to the Firebird on 46th near ninth avenue perhaps five
years ago and had a lovely meal, but in my opinion it was overpriced
for what it was, and for the service, which was so-so.
If I were spending a good deal I think I'd spend it at
Petrossian, which has a highly credentialed chef. Although I'm not
sure that the menu is strictly Russian. For a real Russian experience
I'd go to Brighton Beach, but you'd have to get recommendations on
where to go from others, as I'm not intimately familiar with what's
available in that area.
I've been to Rasputin in Brighton Beach a few times, which
coincidentally gets an 8.7 rating in Citysearch. The food there is
excellent, though not cheap. And the service is good, but not really
courteous.

You'll also get the cabaret-style entertainment that the restaurants
in that neighborhood are famous for.

For more details on Rasputin, click:
http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/7389261/brooklyn_ny/rasputin.html
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